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Posted on 2007.09.17 at 21:02
Current Location: seattle, wa
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Music: nine inch nails - the warning
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"A few months ago, Trent Reznor (frontman of the band Nine Inch Nails), was in Australia doing an interview when he commented on the outrageous prices of CDs there. Apparently now his label, Universal Media Group is angry at him for having said that. During a concert last night, he told fans, '...Has anyone seen the price come down? Okay, well, you know what that means — STEAL IT.Steal away. Steal and steal and steal some more and give it to all your friends and keep on stealin'. Because one way or another these mother****ers will get it through their head that they're ripping people off and that's not right.'"

from here.


innocentchild at 2007-09-18 04:36 (UTC) (Link)
HA! Considering how unimpressed I was with his last release I'm all for it. I do however dig that he dumps the core loops off to the world for remixing. Smart business move. You might just discover the newest remixing talent that no one else knows... yet.

He's right though. When I was in Oz I didn't buy anything music wise due to prices being so unreasonable. Even when I factored in the "keepsake" element it *still* was idiotic.
Generation Y's Howard Beale
dk at 2007-09-18 04:39 (UTC) (Link)
Considering how unimpressed I was with his last release

do you mean year zero?

cuz i was ready to walk if it was another "with teeth"... but he won me back.
innocentchild at 2007-09-18 04:49 (UTC) (Link)
Put it this way. I'd love to see what would happen if I was stuck in his studio with him for a month. I feel he had this "I'm off drugs" output, but it was missing something. Yes you could say his shit is growing up in some ways, but he still tries to play the woe is me at age what? 40ish? Eh. I can honestly say that much good would come out of me in the studio with me sleep deprived and the build up of rage I feel. I'd give him reasons to get gritty again even if my own musical output is on the more chill side.

In a related thought - why in the fuck doesn't he adopt some talent and produce them under a fictitious name? He needs something new to mix in with his creative capacity. He needs that new angsty raw young energy to come in and be managed in his hands. He's done it before. Was it such a fuck you experience that he's not done it since?

Generation Y's Howard Beale
dk at 2007-09-18 05:12 (UTC) (Link)
Yes you could say his shit is growing up in some ways, but he still tries to play the woe is me at age what? 40ish? Eh.

see, the reason this album got me interested again was it struck me as a lot less "woe is me" and more "woe is us".

the musical ideas may not be anything that wasn't already done by speedy j/converter over the past 5 years; i can't argue that the glitch/noise feel of the album isn't "inspired" in that way (to put it charitably); but i was still glad to see him try his hand at a genre i've liked for a long time.

Was it such a fuck you experience that he's not done it since?

maybe it's that, or maybe he doesn't want to become the thing he hates?
innocentchild at 2007-09-18 05:15 (UTC) (Link)
Truth be told I think he waffles on what he is and wants. Not to say I'm perfect. Not to say you are. Hell we're all probably like that. But since he's in the spotlight - he has to be better. =)
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Generation Y's Howard Beale
dk at 2007-09-18 05:40 (UTC) (Link)
haha, nice :)
alceria at 2007-09-18 17:29 (UTC) (Link)
I haven't liked his new stuff as much as the old stuff, but yay Trent!
betternewthings at 2007-09-18 18:01 (UTC) (Link)
i hate the riaa but am ignorant of the situation in oz. then again i haven't bought anything riaa in close to a decade. i haven't heard the new cd. i will download it though. he might be old mellow and off drugs now - but come to think of it so am i.
Generation Y's Howard Beale
dk at 2007-09-19 03:28 (UTC) (Link)
well really the issue is between trent and his label UMG; i tagged riaa for browsability because i thought it was relevant/related.

anyway, here:

He said: “As the climate grows more and more desperate for record labels, their answer to their mostly self-inflicted wounds seems to be to screw the consumer over even more. A couple of examples that quickly come to mind.”

Reznor used the retail price of his album in Australia as an example of his frustrations: “The ABSURD retail pricing of Year Zero in Australia. Shame on you, UMG. Year Zero is selling for $34.99 Australian dollars ($29.10 US). No wonder people steal music. Avril Lavigne's record in the same store was $21.99 ($18.21 US).”

He continued: “By the way, when I asked a label rep about this his response was: ‘It's because we know you have a real core audience that will pay whatever it costs when you put something out - you know, true fans. It's the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy.’ So... I guess as a reward for being a "true fan" you get ripped off.”
betternewthings at 2007-09-19 15:39 (UTC) (Link)
He's going to have to share half the blame here then.

He did, after all, sign for the label. The label pays him, and pays him well.
Generation Y's Howard Beale
dk at 2007-09-21 07:18 (UTC) (Link)
from what i've been hearing, artists make much more off of touring & merch than they do from album sales. although i'll grant that it might be different for NIN than it is for emerging bands in the first two albums of their career.

and, let's be fair; he did sign a contract, but given what the label did for other artists he couldn't be blamed for expecting them to price his albums the same way, as long as production costs are comparable.
betternewthings at 2007-09-21 16:37 (UTC) (Link)
The thing is, he did sign. He might not make most his money there, but he seemed awful happy to take the label's money.

If he was to refund that money, he can do as he pleases with a totally clear conscience.
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